Born to Lie: How Humans Deceive Ourselves & Others - Lionel Page

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Born to Lie: How Humans Deceive Ourselves & Others - Lionel Page

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September 18, 2025
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Bargaining is Everywhere: From Politics to Your Household

This clip illustrates how the concept of bargaining and splitting gains, often seen in politics, is deeply embedded in everyday interactions, including salary negotiations and household decisions.

Bargaining knowledge
1:16:37
Duration: 0:19

Why There's No Such Thing as a 'Common Good' in Politics

Lionel challenges the notion of a singular 'common good' in politics, arguing that individual interests, even with some convergence, prevent a universally agreed-upon ideal.

Politics knowledge
1:20:19
Duration: 0:24

The Mind's Strategic Self-Deception: Only What You Need to Know

Lionel introduces the evolutionary psychology theory that the mind operates with modules, strategically triggering emotions like love and friendship. The self-conscious part of the mind genuinely feels these emotions, making the individual a more effective 'player' in social games.

Evolutionary Psychology knowledge
1:32:02
Duration: 1:01

Evolutionary Theory: The Humbling Truth About Our Desires

Chris reflects on how learning about evolutionary theory reveals the limited control we have over our desires, thoughts, and actions, often exposing our perceived achievements as thinly veiled pursuit of status, leading to profound humility.

Evolutionary Psychology motivation
1:34:55
Duration: 0:37

Coalition Psychology: Why We Need to Belong and Care About Our Group Standing

This clip explains the deep evolutionary and practical reasons for the human need for coalitions, from ancient survival to modern support systems. It highlights how our psychology is wired to constantly monitor our belonging and 'standing' within a group, influencing much of our behavior.

Psychology knowledge
1:01:27
Duration: 1:24

How Ancestral Problems Shaped Male and Female Social Networks

Lionel Page explains how gender differences in social networks—men having large, loose ties and women having smaller, tighter, high-investment bonds—stem from the distinct ancestral problems each sex had to solve. He highlights the critical role of 'alo-parenting' for mothers and occasional collective tasks for men in shaping these social structures.

Evolutionary psychology knowledge
42:00
Duration: 2:10

Paltering: The Art of Deceiving with the Truth

This moment explains the concept of 'paltering,' a subtle form of deception where technically true statements are used to mislead someone into believing a falsehood. It's a fascinating insight into the nuances of human communication and strategic interaction.

Communication knowledge
51:10
Duration: 0:18

Ambiguity and Plausible Deniability in Relationship Negotiation

Lionel Page elaborates on the utility of ambiguity and plausible deniability, particularly when negotiating relationships. Using Steven Pinker's insights and the 'Harry Met Sally' example, he explains how indirect communication allows individuals to keep options open and avoid the risks of 'common knowledge' in dating or other sensitive interactions.

Relationships knowledge
46:46
Duration: 1:40

Our Reason is Self-Serving: Why We Spin the Truth

This moment highlights the self-serving nature of human reasoning, explaining that our minds are designed to win arguments and convince others, rather than strictly seeking truth. It describes how we naturally frame information to support our positions.

Human Reasoning knowledge
3:57
Duration: 1:14

The Disappointment of Digital Democracy: Not About Truth, But Cat Videos

Chris questions why democracy is passionately defended if it doesn't seek truth, contrasting the initial hopes for social media as a public sphere with the reality of cat videos and algorithms.

Democracy controversy
1:22:46
Duration: 0:47

Are Humans Actually Bad at Problem Solving?

This moment questions our perceived ability to solve problems individually, arguing that most solutions we use are inherited from past generations or taught socially. It illustrates this with an example of travelers in Australia.

Problem Solving knowledge
3:02
Duration: 0:55

The True Nature of Politics: Compromise, Not Truth

Lionel Page argues that politics isn't about finding a singular 'truth' or 'common good', but rather about managing imperfectly aligned incentives and finding compromises between competing coalitions.

Politics knowledge
1:15:38
Duration: 0:18

Is Consciousness a Byproduct of Social Interaction?

Chris Williamson and Lionel Page discuss the 'social brain hypothesis,' exploring the idea that human consciousness and metacognitive processes may have evolved as a necessity for navigating complex social games and communication, rather than for pure intelligence.

Human consciousness knowledge
24:42
Duration: 1:13

Political Ideologies as 'Bids' to Change the Social Contract

This clip reveals how political parties and their ideologies are essentially bids to alter the prevailing principles of fairness and the social contract, rather than purely idealistic pursuits.

Politics knowledge
1:18:09
Duration: 0:42

The Invisibility of Social Games: Are We Self-Deceived?

This clip poses a compelling question about human nature and our surprising lack of awareness of the strategic social games we constantly play, questioning whether self-deception is the primary reason for this invisibility.

Self-deception knowledge
1:26:47
Duration: 0:38

Seduction as a Strategic Communication Game and the Shift with Online Dating

This clip explores seduction as a nuanced communication game, where ambiguity is gradually reduced through subtle signals and reactions. It then contrasts this 'old style' with modern online dating, which starts from a more explicit premise of seeking a match, fundamentally changing the initial negotiation of relationship status.

Relationships knowledge
55:56
Duration: 1:17

Is Democracy a Coalition Game, Not a Truth-Seeking Exercise?

This thought-provoking clip challenges the traditional ideal of democracy as a truth-seeking exercise, suggesting it might be more accurately understood as a coalition game. It contrasts this modern perspective with the historical ideal of ancient Greek direct democracy and its public discourse, urging a re-evaluation of what democracy truly entails.

Politics controversy
1:13:44
Duration: 1:14

The 'Game of Morals': How We Bargain Using Principles of Fairness

Lionel explains how humans don't just bargain with raw demands but use principles of fairness to justify their positions, calling this a 'game of morals' where general principles solve specific bargaining problems.

Game Theory knowledge
1:17:15
Duration: 0:37

Why We Don't Know We're Playing Games: Evolution's Hidden Hand

Lionel explains two key reasons for our unawareness of playing social games: evolution doesn't require us to know the 'rule book' to be effective, and sometimes, strategic benefits arise from not being consciously aware.

Human Behavior knowledge
1:27:25
Duration: 1:13

We Reason Like Lawyers, Not Scientists

This moment challenges the common understanding of human reasoning, arguing that our primary use of reason is not to solve objective problems like scientists, but to convince others, much like lawyers. It explains how this perspective accounts for common cognitive biases like confirmation bias.

Human Reasoning knowledge
1:49
Duration: 0:55

We All Self-Deceive: The Housework Study & Rose-Tinted Glasses

This moment stresses the universal nature of self-deception, arguing that it's a fundamental aspect of human design. It illustrates this with the concept of "rose-tinted glasses," explains why there are "two sides to every story" in conflicts, and provides a compelling example from a study on how couples estimate their contributions to housework.

Self-Deception knowledge
8:45
Duration: 1:55

The Strategic Advantage of Being a Victim

This moment explores how the desire to be seen as a victim can be a form of self-deception, acting as a "4D chess move" to gain moral high ground or social recognition. It explains how societal rules of fairness and retribution can incentivize individuals to present themselves as victims, with examples from modern social spheres and family interactions.

Self-Deception knowledge
10:40
Duration: 2:37

The Shadow of the Future: Why Reputation Drives Human Cooperation

This moment explains how the fear of losing one's reputation is a primary driver of trustworthiness and cooperation among humans. Using insights from game theory and contrasting human behavior with that of robins and ants, it describes how the prospect of future interactions "polices" present behavior, making reputation a crucial mechanism for sustaining cooperation.

Human Cooperation knowledge
15:10
Duration: 3:24

Recursive Mind-Reading: Why Communication is Harder Than Chess for AI

This moment delves into the profound complexity of human communication, highlighting how even advanced AI struggled with it for decades, unlike chess. It defines communication as providing information that changes beliefs and introduces the principle of "relevance" – delivering the most useful information with minimal processing cost. The "I'm tired" tennis example brilliantly illustrates the concept of "recursive mind-reading" that makes human interaction so intricate and natural for us, yet challenging for machines.

Human Communication knowledge
18:34
Duration: 5:30

The Power of Indirect Speech and Plausible Deniability

Lionel Page explains Steven Pinker's theory on why humans frequently use indirect and ambiguous speech. Through examples like asking someone on a date or bribing a policeman, he illustrates how ambiguity allows for 'plausible deniability' in potentially confrontational or sensitive social interactions, preventing risky common knowledge.

Communication knowledge
31:26
Duration: 1:51

The Sydney Sweeney Ad Controversy: Indirect Criticism and Moral Signaling

Chris Williamson discusses the backlash against Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle ad, noting how criticism from women was couched in moral terms (eugenics, political affiliation, family background) rather than direct comments about her appearance or sexual overtness. This highlights the complex, indirect nature of intra-sexual competition and social signaling.

Social dynamics controversy
34:05
Duration: 1:10

Venting: The Fascinating Art of Indirect Criticism and Self-Elevation

Chris Williamson describes venting as a prime example of ambiguous communication, particularly among women. He illustrates how one can feign concern for a friend while subtly exposing their flaws and elevating one's own moral standing, all while maintaining plausible deniability if confronted.

Communication knowledge
39:32
Duration: 1:33

Why Human Communication is More Complex Than Chess

This clip highlights the profound complexity of human communication, arguing that it's far more intricate than even a game like chess. It delves into the multi-layered 'theory of mind' required for understanding, where we model not just others' beliefs, but their models of our beliefs, making conversation a 'five levels down' challenge.

Communication knowledge
51:45
Duration: 1:12

How LLMs Imitate, Not Solve, Human Communication

This segment offers a critical perspective on Large Language Models (LLMs), arguing that they haven't 'cracked the code of communication from scratch' like chess AI. Instead, they are sophisticated imitators, trained on vast corpora of human interactions, essentially finding the 'best answer' by matching human-produced patterns rather than truly understanding or solving communication problems.

Artificial Intelligence knowledge
52:57
Duration: 1:27

The Flaws of ChatGPT: Why It's Psychopantic and Lacks True Understanding

This clip exposes key limitations of LLMs like ChatGPT, highlighting their 'psychopantic' nature (always overly complimentary) and inability to admit uncertainty. It contrasts this with human communication, where acknowledging ignorance or reframing a user's question is crucial for effective interaction, revealing that LLMs lack true 'mind-reading' ability.

Artificial Intelligence knowledge
54:24
Duration: 1:15

The Evolutionary Roots of Our Need for Belonging and Fear of Exclusion

This moment delves into the fundamental human need for coalitions and social connection, tracing its evolutionary importance for survival and security. It explains how our psychology is deeply tuned to track group belonging and standing, and how even simple social experiments can induce anxiety through feelings of exclusion.

Psychology knowledge
57:32
Duration: 2:18

Navigating the Tension Between Autonomy and Connection

This clip explores the universal human struggle between the desire for independence and the fundamental need for social connection. It suggests that while autonomy is a more superficial, moment-to-moment need, the feeling of belonging to a group is a deep, primary drive, and threats to this belonging cause significant stress.

Psychology knowledge
59:50
Duration: 1:37

Survivor: A Real-World Experiment in Coalition Building and Social Hierarchy

This clip uses the popular game show 'Survivor' as a compelling illustration of coalition psychology. It explains how the show, ostensibly about jungle survival, is primarily a game of social alliances and hierarchies, revealing how quickly humans establish 'inner circles' and experience intense anxiety over being excluded or 'on the chopping block.'

Social Dynamics story
1:02:51
Duration: 1:30

How Coalitions Test Loyalty and Build Trust Through Social Identity

This clip breaks down the game theory problem of building commitment within coalitions, using examples from sports teams and military platoons. It explains how shared social identity, rituals, and public displays of loyalty are crucial for fostering trust and moving a group from ineffective to cohesive, even if these displays seem 'irrational' to outsiders.

Social Dynamics knowledge
1:04:41
Duration: 2:36

The Game Theory of Democracy: Why Your Interests Matter

Lionel explains that democracy's strength lies in its large 'selectorate' (most of the population voting), forcing leaders to please a broad base and ensuring widespread representation of interests, unlike authoritarian systems with small selectorates.

Democracy knowledge
1:23:49
Duration: 1:39

Love as a Strategic Commitment: Why We Don't Look for Better Options

This clip explains love as a natural, strategic mechanism that fosters credible commitment in relationships. It binds individuals, makes them purposefully ignore other options, and provides visible signals of trustworthiness, enabling long-term investment.

Relationships knowledge
1:29:57
Duration: 2:05

Are We Better Off Not Knowing Life is a Game?

This clip explores the provocative idea that humans are more effective and attractive social partners when they are unaware they are playing 'games,' and questions whether realizing this truth would actually make us better off.

Self-deception knowledge
1:34:14
Duration: 0:41

Extreme Beliefs as a Loyalty Test in Political Coalitions

This clip argues that in political groups, adopting extreme beliefs can serve as a test of loyalty, where suspending one's reason demonstrates deeper commitment to the group. This dynamic can create a 'premium to exaggerations,' as individuals compete to show their unwavering dedication by embracing increasingly radical views, even if factually weak.

Politics controversy
1:07:17
Duration: 2:24

The Evolutionary Benefit of Self-Deception

This moment explores Robert Trivers' theory that self-deception is a strategic evolutionary adaptation. It explains why we tend to be overconfident (e.g., thinking we're better than average drivers) despite the potential costs, arguing that believing our own stories helps us convince others more effectively, like a poker player who believes their own bluff.

Self-Deception knowledge
5:11
Duration: 3:17

The Seinfeld Principle: Why Self-Deception Makes You a Better Liar

This moment explores the idea that we lie to ourselves to avoid the risks associated with lying to others. It uses the famous Seinfeld quote, "It's not a lie if you believe it," to explain how genuine belief in one's own narrative provides "plausible deniability" and makes one more convincing, as there are no tell-tale signs of deception.

Self-Deception knowledge
13:17
Duration: 1:53

The Erosion of Credibility in Polarized Politics

This clip examines the competing incentives of loyalty and credibility in political discourse. It argues that in highly polarized environments, loyalty to one's coalition trumps reputational credibility, reducing the cost of spreading false information. This is exacerbated by a decline in trust for mainstream institutions, allowing misinformation to thrive unchecked within political factions.

Politics knowledge
1:11:27
Duration: 2:17

The Final Boss: Extending Empathy to Yourself

Chris shares how understanding human behavior fosters empathy for others (e.g., fundamental attribution error) but admits the ultimate challenge is applying that same kindness and self-compassion to oneself.

Self-compassion motivation
1:37:42
Duration: 1:10

The Algorithmic Roots of Political Polarization and the Cost of Disloyalty

This clip offers a compelling explanation for political polarization, combining the human need for coalition building with the influence of online algorithms. It highlights how algorithms nudge preferences to make users more predictable, pushing them to extremes, and how failing to adhere to a coalition's beliefs incurs high costs from both allies and opponents.

Politics knowledge
1:09:41
Duration: 1:46