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The hosts express frustration over the lack of clear, publicly available data on mountain lion kills in California, noting that official reports often group "lethal removals" under depredation permits rather than a distinct "agency control" category, making it difficult to ascertain the true numbers.
The hosts clarify that mountain lion depredation permits are typically issued to ranchers dealing with livestock predation, and that government agencies handle situations in urban areas where lions are preying on pets, highlighting the different approaches to wildlife control.
The hosts discuss how aerial culling from helicopters is an effective method for controlling populations of animals like buffalo and wolves in some regions (e.g., Australia, Alaska), but highlights why it's not feasible for mountain lions.
The hosts discuss Oregon's mountain lion hunting policy, where hunters cannot use dogs but can purchase extra tags (e.g., lion, bear, deer, elk) and take a mountain lion if they opportunistically encounter one while hunting other game. This makes it challenging but allows for some population control.
The hosts discuss various methods used for controlling mountain lion populations, including snares/traps and the "coyote" approach in Texas where they can be killed on sight due to their elusive nature.
The hosts morbidly joke about how vulnerable and "soft" humans would be as prey for predators, noting that our flesh and organs are easily accessible compared to animals with tough hides and hair.
This segment offers fascinating insights into animal physiology and hunting dynamics, explaining why some animals, particularly those evolved around large predators, don't bleed much after being hit by an arrow. They discuss how factors like the animal's body position, adrenaline levels, and specific broadhead choice can affect the wound and blood trail, challenging the notion of a 'perfect shot' and offering a deeper understanding of animal resilience and hunting outcomes.
Joe Rogan vehemently dismisses the argument that hunters should 'hunt with bare hands' to make it 'fair,' explaining that such a perspective ignores human evolution, the development of weapons, and the very foundation of civilization.
Joe Rogan describes stumbling upon the aftermath of a wolf kill in the wilderness, revealing that the site of a moose calf was reduced to "nothing but hair" and bones, a stark and surprising visual of a predator's efficiency and brutality.
This segment explains how a ban on shark fishing in Australia has led to an out-of-control shark population, which is now severely impacting the red emperor fish population, a popular eating fish. Sharks are taking the fish directly off lines, causing numbers to plummet.
The hosts explain that unlike deer, mountain lions are incredibly difficult to hunt and control their populations due to their stealth and elusive nature, making it nearly impossible to "put a dent" in their numbers even with widespread hunting efforts.
The hosts explain the strict regulations and quota system for mountain lion hunting in Colorado, detailing how each kill is documented and how the revenue generated supports game wardens and wildlife conservation efforts, illustrating the importance of managed hunting.
Joe Rogan and Cameron Hanes debate the controversial outlawing of the Garmin rangefinding bow sight in Utah. Joe argues that while states aim to keep archery primitive, these advanced sights, when working perfectly, lead to more ethical and effective shots by providing exact distances, ultimately reducing wounding—a crucial goal for hunters.
The hosts discuss the immense size of the mountain lion Adam hunted, estimated at 170 pounds, and debunk the myth that these predators always kill their prey before eating, highlighting their raw, instinctual nature.
The hosts discuss the idea that modern society and 'regular life' are not how humans were designed to live, calling it 'fake.' They suggest that living in the wild, hunting and surviving, is our true design, leading to feelings of being 'out of it' in society.
Joe Rogan discusses the dire situation in Japan where brown bear attacks have surged, necessitating military intervention due to a lack of effective wildlife management and an aging hunter population.
The hosts use an AI tool (Perplexity) to quickly research and discover the varying state laws regarding thermal imaging devices for hunting. They find that while legal to own, many states restrict their use, especially for game species, often allowing them only for predators or nuisance animals.
A controversial take on intelligence, arguing that the ability to manage stressful situations and navigate difficult real-world challenges, like bow hunting, is a crucial form of intelligence. The hosts criticize the narrow view that intelligence is solely defined by academic achievements, stating that many PhDs can still be "fools" in practical life.
Cameron Hanes breaks down the intricate decision-making process during a sable hunt, emphasizing that 'everything matters'—wind, sun, path, noise, animal behavior. He contrasts this meticulous attention to detail required in hunting with the ability to 'ignore a lot of things' in everyday modern life, suggesting valuable lessons for problem-solving and mastery.
The hosts discuss how modern science (stem cells, IV treatments, supplements) allows individuals in their 40s, 50s, and even 60s to maintain or even improve their physical condition, combining peak physical ability with decades of experience. This creates new opportunities for mastering complex endeavors like bow hunting, offering hope and motivation for people of all ages to pursue intense new passions.
Cam Hanes shares his biggest takeaways from the bowhunting season: the absolute necessity of relentless leg conditioning for mountain hunting, emphasizing that you can 'never be in too good a shape.' He also reveals a personal struggle with lower back tendonitis from over-practicing with an 80lb bow, highlighting the importance of listening to your body to prevent overuse injuries.
Adam Greentree shares his experience hunting a mountain lion and how surprisingly delicious the meat was, describing it as a cross between venison and chicken, or even a superior pork.
The hosts ponder the mysterious simultaneous invention of the bow and arrow across multiple cultures worldwide. They speculate about early human travel and the extraordinary ingenuity required for an individual to conceive of such a complex and effective hunting tool from basic materials.
Joe Rogan and guests explore the idea that humans are unique in the animal kingdom for possessing compassion and the desire to end suffering, contrasting this with predators in the wild that show no mercy or regret.
The speaker describes the significant learning curve for bowhunting in Australia, which lagged behind the US in terms of knowledge and equipment. He emphasizes the immense value of having a mentor, like Cam, who has already navigated mistakes and can guide new hunters to optimal setups, saving time, money, and heartache.
The discussion reveals the staggering number of animals killed by feral cats in North America annually, emphasizing the often-overlooked role of these common predators in the ecosystem and the delicate balance of nature.
Joe Rogan playfully mocks Adam Greentree for not doing a basic internet search to check for dangerous wildlife before bow hunting in Japan, leading to a humorous discussion about the importance of research and the "unknown" in the wild.
The hosts explain that a significant factor in Japan's escalating bear problem and the need for military intervention is the aging out of its hunter population, with younger generations not taking up the sport, leading to a lack of wildlife management.
Joe Rogan discusses the irony of California's mountain lion management, where numerous lions are killed under depredation tags (due to livestock or pet attacks) but without generating revenue or utilizing the meat, contrasting it with a system that would allow regulated hunting.
This clip delves into the meticulous mindset of a hunter, emphasizing that 'everything matters' when pursuing a goal. The speaker details the complex factors considered during a hunt—wind, sun, animal behavior, pathfinding—and contrasts this attention to detail with how people often navigate everyday life by ignoring crucial elements. This offers a powerful lesson on problem-solving, continuous learning, and applying a highly analytical and committed approach to any endeavor.
The hosts compare mountain lion hunting policies across states (Oregon, California, Texas, Utah), highlighting how politics influence regulations and praising Utah's "coyote-like" approach for management and data collection.
Joe Rogan recounts a terrifying story from his friend Mike Hawkridge, who had to shoot a grizzly bear from only six feet away as it was attempting to break into a cabin in British Columbia, illustrating the real-world dangers of unchecked bear populations.
Joe Rogan shares a personal lesson learned the hard way: over-practicing archery can lead to debilitating overuse injuries. He recounts developing tendonitis in his lower back from repeatedly pulling an 80lb bow and emphasizes the importance of recognizing and not pushing through pain.
Adam Greentree recounts a tense experience while packing out an elk kill in the dark, mistaking glowing eyes for deer until realizing they belonged to a mountain lion perched in a tree, guarding the carcass. The lion remained in the tree as they retrieved their meat.
The hosts discuss the dangerous trend of inexperienced hunters attempting extreme long-range shots after seeing impressive records, often with inadequate equipment and practice. Joe Rogan clarifies his own stance on long-range practice versus actual hunting distances, emphasizing the ethical implications of attempting shots beyond one's capability.
The hosts discuss Cam Hanes' brother, Taylor, an elite ultra-runner who recently placed second in a grueling 300-mile race, completing it in an astonishing 88 hours, highlighting his incredible endurance and dedication.
The speaker recounts how a specific rangefinder, the 'Loophole Full Draw Five,' helped him make an ethical shot on an elk by accurately showing the arc of his arrow, preventing it from hitting branches and ensuring a clean kill.
This clip challenges the conventional definition of intelligence, arguing that it extends far beyond academic achievements or the ability to recite literature. It emphasizes the intelligence involved in managing stressful situations, navigating difficulties, life experience, and the responsibilities of raising a family, suggesting that a PhD doesn't always equate to true wisdom.
The hosts discuss the primal instinct of animals, illustrating how even a domestic dog will eagerly devour raw wild game, and apply this to lions, suggesting that the best time to run from a lion might be after it's had a large meal, when its stomach is full.
The hosts discuss how Oregon consistently fails to meet its annual mountain lion kill quota, leading to an overpopulation of lions. This imbalance results in too many predators killing too many deer and elk, making previously good hunting areas "terrible now."
This clip argues that the most detrimental lesson a parent can impart is the habit of blaming others for their circumstances. It explains how this sabotages children's personal responsibility and prevents them from achieving success, often because they've never witnessed an example of true character and accountability.
Cam Hanes explains why the Loophole Full Draw Five rangefinder is his favorite, highlighting its unique ability to show the arc of an arrow at its peak. He shares an anecdote about using this feature to make a precise and ethical shot on an elk through a narrow opening, emphasizing its crucial role in complex hunting scenarios.
The hosts stress the critical importance of educating non-hunters who vote on wildlife regulations, explaining that many don't understand the practicalities and potential repercussions of policies like banning hunting with dogs or baiting for bears. They urge listeners to consider the real-world consequences beyond emotional reactions.
Adam Greentree recounts a horrific experience where a mountain lion was found eating a cow alive, highlighting the brutal reality of nature and the suffering it can inflict, leading to the rancher having to put the cow out of its misery.
The hosts argue that in today's world, mountain lions *must* be killed for population control to protect deer and elk, even if the meat isn't utilized. They counter the idea that "mother nature will take care of itself," explaining that human encroachment on habitat necessitates active management, as the natural balance no longer exists.
Joe Rogan and Adam Greentree humorously criticize hunters who, after hearing about extreme long-range shooting records, believe they can replicate such feats with minimal practice or cheap equipment. They highlight the overconfidence that often comes from a lack of understanding of the immense skill involved.
Adam Greentree details his home hypoxic wellness studio, an altitude training gym where he works out and even practices bow shooting at a simulated 14,500 feet. He explains how this technology significantly boosted his endurance for mountain hunting and positively impacted his mental clarity and brain plasticity, making him feel 'absolutely incredible.'
Joe Rogan shares the story of Cam Hanes' brother, Cam, a former NFL player, who opportunistically harvested a massive mountain lion while deer hunting in Oregon. The lion appeared 40 yards away, and with a pre-purchased lion tag, Cam made a perfect shot, illustrating how these elusive animals are taken in states without dog hunting.
Joe Rogan shares a profound lesson from his hunting season: the deep satisfaction and purpose he finds in celebrating the success of others. He emphasizes the value of mentoring new hunters and sharing his lifestyle, values, and love for nature, which creates deeper connections and resonates strongly with people.
Adam Greentree recounts his shocking experience of bow hunting in Hokkaido, Japan, unaware of the presence of brown bears until he found a fresh kill site. He later learned about gruesome bear attacks on local hunters, including one where a bear was eating a man in a stream.
Joe Rogan reveals a shocking statistic that 50% of mountain lion diets in the Bay Area consist of dogs and cats, arguing that misguided compassion for nature leads to dangerous consequences for pets and necessitates active wildlife management.
Joe Rogan and guests discuss the philosophical idea that modern, domesticated life is 'fake' and unnatural, contrasting it with the wild as the true environment humans were designed for. This moment encourages listeners to question societal norms and consider what truly constitutes a 'real' existence, highlighting the potential disconnect from our primal design.
Joe Rogan shares a compelling story about a man who has lived in the Arctic Circle since the 1970s, subsisting by hunting and fishing. This anecdote powerfully illustrates the concept of living a life aligned with human design, leading to deep fulfillment and a sense of 'normalcy' that many in modern society lack. It's a striking example for anyone feeling disconnected or seeking a more authentic existence.
The hosts discuss the profound importance of respect for men and how traditional activities like hunting provide a crucial avenue to earn it within a community. They argue that while love is often emphasized for women, respect is a powerful, underlying driving force for men, and challenging endeavors such as hunting fulfill this deep-seated need for purpose and recognition, a need often unmet in modern society.
Joe Rogan discusses Jelly Roll's amazing health journey, going from over 500 pounds to running 10Ks and 2.6 miles on a treadmill while talking. This transformation is highlighted as a powerful example of self-improvement and dedication to health, inspiring millions.
Joe Rogan and Adam Greentree discuss the ethical implications of thermal optics in hunting. They argue that these devices remove the 'art of glassing' and the challenge of hunting, making it too easy to locate animals and undermining the skill and respect traditionally associated with the sport.
The hosts are amazed by the extreme distances achieved in long-range shooting. They discuss a world record competition shot of 4,224 yards (2.4 miles) and an even more incredible non-competition hit at 4.4 miles, highlighting the mind-boggling skill and precision required for such feats.
Joe Rogan passionately criticizes the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry, arguing that many FDA-approved drugs are later pulled, and that companies manipulate studies for profit. He claims effective, non-patentable treatments like peptides and stem cells are suppressed because they interfere with the industry's financial interests and unnecessary surgeries.
Adam Greentree recounts a harrowing experience of finding a mountain lion actively devouring a live cow, leading him to hunt the 'murderous' big cat. This story provides a raw perspective on predator-prey dynamics and the emotional toll on humans witnessing such events.
Joe Rogan and guests reflect on how insulated most people in modern society are from the raw reality of nature's constant predator-prey struggles, illustrating that this "war" is happening everywhere, all the time, even with seemingly harmless animals like feral cats.
Joe Rogan discusses official data showing California kills over 100 mountain lions annually via depredation permits, revealing that analysis of their diet indicates 50% consists of domestic dogs and cats. He argues that opposing hunting effectively allows these predators to kill pets, emphasizing the need for population control.
The hosts criticize the political influence of city dwellers who, disconnected from wilderness realities, vote to outlaw practices like grizzly hunting in areas like British Columbia, leading to uncontrolled bear populations and increased attacks, including a recent incident with a school group.
Adam Greentree recounts a thrilling and slightly terrifying experience in the Northwest Territories where he successfully called in an entire pack of wolves, which then surrounded him, describing the unique and intense feeling of being observed by them.
Joe Rogan shares a thrilling story about Dudley and his guide who, after killing an elk near a wolf den, found themselves surrounded by a pack of wolves. With limited ammunition, they were forced to defend themselves, shooting three wolves in what Dudley described as the "freakiest thing he's ever experienced."
Joe Rogan and guests express frustration at the disconnect between urban populations, who often vote based on "knee-jerk love and compassion for nature," and the rural realities of managing dangerous wildlife. They argue that these city-based votes, like banning trophy hunting, lead to uncontrolled animal populations and dangerous encounters, declaring "I'm on team people."
Joe Rogan highlights California's severe mountain lion problem by contrasting the scarcity of deer near his old, wooded property with the abundance of deer in areas without mountain lions. He cites a ranch that captured 16 different mountain lions on a single camera, attributing the issue to urban voters who are unaware of the impact of their political decisions on wildlife management.
Joe Rogan discusses the controversy surrounding Derek Wolf's mountain lion kill, arguing that public backlash stems from a lack of understanding of its necessity. He then delves into the ecological impact of large lions, including how wolves can increase lion kills by stealing their prey.
Joe Rogan critiques a famous photo of a collared mountain lion with the Hollywood sign in the background, arguing that it perfectly embodies California's flawed wildlife management. He views the collared lion in a residential area as a symbol of policies that prioritize tracking over effective population control, leading to dangerous encounters with pets.
Joe Rogan vehemently dismisses the argument that hunting should be "fair chase" or done with bare hands, stating it's the "dumbest argument of all time." He asserts that the development of weapons was crucial for human evolution and the very foundation of civilization, allowing humanity to overcome predators and build societies.
Adam Greentree articulates his philosophy on hunting mountain lions, emphasizing that his participation isn't driven by personal desire but by a commitment to good wildlife management. He highlights how regulated hunting provides revenue for conservation and ensures the animal is utilized as a food source, educating others on its surprisingly delicious meat.
The hosts explain how specific hunting methods like treeing mountain lions or baiting bears allow hunters to selectively target older males, which is crucial for effective wildlife management and avoiding accidental kills of females with young.
The hosts argue that wildlife biologists establish specific hunting rules (like using dogs for mountain lions) because these are the *only* effective methods to manage elusive predator populations, criticizing bans on these methods.
This clip argues that the struggles people try to avoid in modern life actually cause a slow, constant dose of anxiety and unhappiness. Embracing 'voluntary struggle'—stressful, difficult situations on purpose—leads to growth, fulfillment, and makes everyday life easier, contrasting with the need for medication or cults to 'feel better.'
Cameron Hanes recounts an epic story of killing a bull elk in the remote Oregon wilderness and needing help to pack out 300 lbs of boned-out meat. He describes calling a 'badass mountain man' who rounded up three other guys, drove through the night, hiked for miles, and showed up exactly on time. This challenging, shared experience in nature, despite the suffering, brought a profound sense of purpose and happiness that he considers a pinnacle of life.
The speaker explains his decision to stop using lighted nocks for bowhunting, arguing that the added weight and internal electronics introduce inconsistency and reduce arrow accuracy. He stresses that optimal arrow performance is paramount for lethal and ethical hunting, outweighing the limited situational benefits of lighted nocks.
The speaker further explains that while lighted nocks might offer perceived benefits in specific situations, the inherent inconsistency caused by their electronics compromises arrow accuracy. He argues that accuracy is always critical for ethical hunting, and the trade-off for a few niche scenarios makes lighted nocks a detrimental choice for overall lethality.
Adam shares his personal experience using a hypoxic wellness studio at home, which simulates high altitude conditions. He explains how this training dramatically improved his endurance, allowing him to climb mountains for hunting without stopping for breath, and also provided significant mental benefits.
The speaker highlights how current advancements in hormone optimization, peptides, nutrition, exercise science, and equipment mean people can achieve unprecedented levels of health and fitness, even at older ages. This era offers a unique opportunity to be healthier and perform better, both physically and mentally.
The speaker criticizes the medical establishment for dismissing advancements like BPC-157 and stem cells, despite scientific evidence and anecdotal success. He argues that this resistance is often driven by ego, a desire to control information, and profit motives, as these natural solutions cannot be easily patented, hindering their widespread adoption.
The discussion exposes the alarming practices within the pharmaceutical industry, including how companies allegedly rig studies to show minimal efficacy for profit, prioritizing financial gain over patient well-being. This is juxtaposed with statistics on FDA drug withdrawals, particularly for antibiotics and oncology drugs, highlighting a systemic issue of compromised scientific integrity.
Joe Rogan shares his biggest takeaway from the bowhunting season: the critical and often underestimated importance of leg conditioning, especially for the demanding terrain of elk hunting in the mountains. He emphasizes that no matter how much training he does, he always realizes he needs more to sustain performance over multiple days.
Adam shares his biggest life lesson from the season: the paramount importance of mental and physical health. He emphasizes the need to actively find and dedicate 'extra time' to self-care, even amidst family and business responsibilities, recognizing its immense value and direct payoff for overall well-being.
Joe Rogan highlights the escalating brown bear attacks in Japan, which have led to military deployment and a record number of fatalities and injuries. He draws parallels to increasing bear encounters in US states, attributing the problem to a lack of hunting and resulting fearlessness in the animals.
The hosts discuss how Jelly Roll's transformation inspires millions and share advice on initiating personal change. They explain that the first steps are the hardest, but once momentum is gained, the journey becomes significantly easier, and that discomfort is a necessary part of growth.
The discussion highlights how modern mapping systems like OnX enhance hunting, but contrasts this with the controversial use of thermal optics. The speaker argues that thermal imaging eliminates the skill and art of traditional glassing, making hunting too easy and leading to unethical kills, thus compromising the honor and respect central to the sport.
Joe Rogan recounts an astonishing story of a highly skilled long-range shooter. Firing at an extreme distance, the shooter managed to chamber another round and hit a steel target with a second bullet before the first one even landed, demonstrating an incredible feat of speed and precision.
The hosts delve into the incredible world of extreme long-range shooting, discussing the addictive nature of the sport and revealing astonishing world records, including a confirmed 2.4-mile shot in competition and an unofficial 4.4-mile hit on steel.
Joe Rogan and guests discuss Jelly Roll's inspiring health journey, detailing his transformation from over 500 pounds to actively running and bow hunting. They highlight a poignant story of him being trapped in bed due to his weight, emphasizing the dramatic change in his life.
This segment offers a powerful perspective on mental well-being, arguing that true happiness and growth come from voluntarily embracing struggle, not avoiding it. The hosts suggest that the constant avoidance of discomfort in modern life leads to a 'slow dose of poison' and chronic anxiety, whereas intentional engagement with difficult situations builds resilience and makes everyday life feel easier. This is a direct, actionable challenge to the comfort-seeking mindset.
Joe Rogan and Cameron Hanes discuss Israel Adesanya's iconic post-fight speech after knocking out Alex Pereira. Adesanya's words, delivered with blood trickling from his nose, emphasize that true happiness is only felt when you 'go for something in your own life,' fortify your mind, and rise up after being knocked down. This moment highlights the profound fulfillment derived from overcoming adversity.
Taylor, Cam Hanes' brother, shares a harrowing first-person account of being stalked and chased by a relentless mountain lion while running at night near Lake Forest, California. Despite yelling and kicking rocks, the lion was undeterred, forcing him to run for his life in a truly terrifying encounter.
The hosts discuss historical pharmaceutical scandals like Vioxx, where companies knew of issues but prioritized profit, drawing parallels to the COVID vaccine narrative. They highlight media flip-flopping on vaccine safety and the lack of accountability for misinformation, attributing it to pressure from advertisers and societal norms.
Joe Rogan expresses outrage over the delayed revelation of negative COVID vaccine side effects and the initial 'propaganda' that pressured people into vaccination. He criticizes media hypocrisy, citing The Atlantic's changing headlines, and condemns the lack of financial, social, or reputational recourse for pharmaceutical companies and public figures who promoted misinformation.
Cam Hanes' brother, Taylor, shares a harrowing first-person account of being chased by a mountain lion while running at night in Lake Forest, California, describing the sheer terror and the animal's relentless pursuit, just a half-mile from the city.
Joe Rogan highlights Israel Adesanya's powerful post-fight speech after his victory over Alex Pereira. Adesanya's message is a profound call to action: true, deep happiness is not given, but earned by pursuing something significant in one's life and rising after being knocked down. This clip is highly motivational, emphasizing resilience, mental fortitude, and the transformative power of overcoming adversity.
This moment offers powerful advice on self-improvement, emphasizing the importance of simply starting a journey without comparing oneself to others. It highlights how initial steps are the hardest, but once momentum builds, progress becomes much easier. It also challenges the perception of discomfort as a negative.