Stoicism’s Lessons on Becoming Wise - Ryan Holiday

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Stoicism’s Lessons on Becoming Wise - Ryan Holiday

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October 2, 2025
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The Blessing and Curse of Modern Information Overload

Ryan discusses how in the ancient world, people might read a few core texts like The Odyssey hundreds of times due to scarcity. He contrasts this with modern times where we have 'all of human history' and 'thousands of years of extra history and knowledge and art and stories,' calling it both a blessing and a curse due to the overwhelming number of options.

information age knowledge
57:22
Duration: 0:38

History vs. Trivia: Focusing on Moral Lessons Over Exact Details

This clip highlights the crucial difference between historical trivia (exact dates, names, alignments) and the deeper, more important moral lessons and character insights that history offers.

History knowledge
30:08
Duration: 0:27

The Paradox of Wisdom: The More You Learn, The Less You Know

Ryan Holiday explains that wisdom is an elusive and paradoxical virtue: the more you think you have it, the less likely you do. He argues that true wisdom comes with humility, as increasing knowledge only reveals the vastness of what remains unknown, echoing physicist John Wheeler's quote about the island of knowledge and shoreline of ignorance.

Wisdom knowledge
16:48
Duration: 1:40

The Learn, Apply, Repeat Loop for True Wisdom

Ryan Holiday explains that wisdom is a dynamic loop of learning from knowledge, applying it through experience, and then letting those experiences inform further learning. He stresses the value of learning from others' experiences (quoting Otto von Bismarck) to avoid making all mistakes oneself, highlighting humility as the foundation for continuous growth.

Wisdom advice
18:28
Duration: 2:12

Practice Deciding Who's in Charge: Mind Over Feelings

Ryan explains how physical exercise serves as a metaphor for developing the discipline to act despite how you feel, emphasizing the importance of consciously deciding to do the thing you control.

Self-discipline advice
1:22:53
Duration: 0:18

Embrace Arbitrary Challenges for Growth

Ryan Holiday explains how intentionally making things harder for yourself, like giving a speech without notes, forces reinvention, deep learning, and growth, echoing Stoic principles of stepping out of your comfort zone.

Personal Growth motivation
0:00
Duration: 1:00

The 'Unlock' of Understanding: Portable Stories as Windzip Files for Complex Ideas

This moment explains how specific 'unlocks' or portable stories, like aphorisms, can condense vast amounts of knowledge, acting as 'windzip files' that make complex human experiences memorable and accessible, much like an impressionist finds a single key gesture.

Wisdom knowledge
28:38
Duration: 1:12

The Story of Cincinnatus: A Model of Selfless Leadership and Resignation of Power

The ancient Roman story of Cincinnatus, who resigned his dictatorship after only 17 days to return to his farm, serves as a powerful illustration of selfless leadership and the voluntary relinquishment of power, a model later emulated by George Washington.

Leadership story
30:35
Duration: 1:23

Useful, Not True: Why Some 'False' Beliefs are Functionally Valuable

This segment explores the concept of 'useful, not true' or 'literally false, functionally true,' using examples like determinism, pigs in hot climates, and porcupines throwing quills, to explain how some beliefs, despite lacking objective truth, serve a practical, beneficial purpose.

Philosophy knowledge
33:32
Duration: 1:35

The Peril of Pure First Principles: Why Ignoring Tradition Can Be Arrogant

This clip challenges the modern 'fetishization' of thinking from first principles, arguing that traditions often represent hard-won solutions to forgotten problems and that ignoring precedent can be arrogant and lead to subpar outcomes due to a lack of historical understanding.

Decision Making controversy
35:26
Duration: 1:28

The Gordian Knot: When 'Solutions' Aren't Really Solutions

The ancient story of Alexander the Great 'solving' the Gordian Knot by chopping it in half illustrates the dangers of fetishizing complete or overly simplistic solutions, highlighting that true wisdom often recognizes the complexity and inherent compromises in real-world problems.

Problem Solving story
37:06
Duration: 1:03

The Wisdom of Knowing Which Expertise is Transferable (and Which Isn't)

This clip emphasizes that true wisdom lies in understanding which domain expertise is transferable to other areas of life and which is not, warning against the assumption that success in one field automatically grants authority in unrelated ones.

Wisdom advice
39:55
Duration: 0:29

The Art of Reform: How Lincoln and Clarkson Understood the Logic of the Status Quo

This clip uses Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Clarkson (abolitionist forerunners) as examples of effective reformers. They combined an outsider's moral conviction with a profound, empathetic understanding of the underlying conditions and incentives that maintained the status quo, enabling them to address the problem effectively.

Leadership knowledge
42:30
Duration: 2:51

Can Silicon Valley 'Vibe Code' Government into Efficiency? The Bureaucracy Debate

This moment explores the challenge of applying a Silicon Valley 'move fast and break things' mindset to government. It questions whether bureaucratic red tape can be streamlined with modern tools or if it represents the 'best solution to an imperfect situation,' requiring humility and empathy to understand its purpose.

Government knowledge
47:01
Duration: 1:08

Humility and Fewer Arguments: Signs of Progress on the Path to Wisdom

Drawing on Epictetus, this clip suggests that a key sign of progress towards wisdom is engaging in fewer arguments. It's not about lacking values, but gaining the humility and understanding to recognize 'why they think what they think,' leading to less wasted energy on trivial disagreements.

Wisdom advice
48:09
Duration: 1:01

Finding a 'Smooth Flow of Life' in the Arena: The Challenge of Resilience

This clip contrasts achieving a 'smooth flow of life' by avoiding challenges with cultivating resilience to maintain it 'in the arena' – amidst the complexities and difficulties of striving and contributing. It emphasizes that true performance and adaptability come from functioning in less-than-ideal environments.

Stoicism motivation
49:10
Duration: 1:13

The Loop of Reading, Experience & True Knowledge

Ryan explains that true knowledge goes beyond mere retention; it requires applying insights, explaining them in multiple ways, and experiencing them. He highlights the cyclical nature of reading, gaining experience, and re-reading to unlock new perspectives, citing Matthew McConaughey's method of reading scripts in different emotional states.

learning knowledge
55:47
Duration: 1:17

Why Equanimity is More Powerful Than Intelligence Alone

Ryan explains that while intelligence is valuable, equanimity is crucial for truly leveraging it, citing Marcus Aurelius's stepfather's dying word as an example of its importance for leaders and individuals.

Wisdom knowledge
1:25:15
Duration: 0:30

Stockdale's Moral Arc: From Selfish Youth to 'If I Am Only For Me, Who Am I?'

Ryan explores Admiral Stockdale's profound moral transformation, contrasting his self-focused youth at the Naval Academy—where he didn't actively support the first black graduate, Wes Brown, during his ordeal—with his later 'brother's keeper' mentality as a POW. This arc illustrates the journey from 'If I am not for me, who is?' to the ultimate wisdom of 'If I am only for me, who am I?'

personal growth story
1:12:15
Duration: 0:54

Ryan Holiday's Intrinsic Motivation: Learning & Growing, Not Just Success

Ryan reveals his core motivation for writing his upcoming book on Stockdale: not for sales or acclaim, but for personal growth and learning. He explains that even if the book 'sell zero copies' or is critically panned, the process of challenging himself and getting better at his craft is the true reward.

writing motivation
1:13:29
Duration: 0:20

Finding Joy in the Process: Ryan Holiday's Bestseller Mindset

Ryan shares his philosophy on success, emphasizing that true joy comes from the creative process itself, not external accolades. He recounts how, upon receiving the news of his first #1 New York Times bestseller, he chose to go for a swim first, embracing the moment regardless of the outcome. He advocates for intrinsic motivation, valuing the challenge and growth of the work over the ephemeral celebration of a win.

success motivation
1:16:31
Duration: 1:48

The Cost of No Empathy: Historical Blunders and Socrates' Wisdom

Ryan connects a lack of empathy to major historical blunders like Iraq and Vietnam, where leaders failed to understand the perspective of others. He then pivots to Socrates' definition of wisdom as the removal of blind spots and ignorance, rather than accumulation of knowledge.

Empathy knowledge
1:32:40
Duration: 1:43

How to Learn the *Right* Lessons from Your Success

Ryan shares his personal experience of proposing a book on Stoicism to skeptical publishers, which later became a massive success. He emphasizes the importance of humbly analyzing why others doubted him and how his success might have been accidental, rather than purely genius, to avoid the 'brain-destroying' effects of being right.

Success advice
1:42:13
Duration: 0:56

The Hidden Costs of Wisdom: Paralysis and Cynicism

Ryan explores the potential downsides of wisdom, identifying self-consciousness as an impediment to action and creativity, where overthinking can paralyze enthusiasm. He also discusses how accumulated knowledge and experience can lead to cynicism, warning against losing wonder and hope.

Wisdom knowledge
1:46:50
Duration: 1:31

Closing Open Loops: A Stoic Practice for Deciding What to Think

Ryan discusses the concept of 'open loops' and how developing the capacity to consciously decide what to think about, or when to think about it, is a stoic practice that helps manage anxiety and focus.

Stoicism advice
1:23:45
Duration: 0:40

The 'Never Multiply by Zero' Rule for Life and Risk

Chris introduces the 'never multiply by zero' concept, explaining how one catastrophic mistake can nullify all prior efforts, using examples from finance, health, and personal life to emphasize avoiding major stupid errors.

Risk management knowledge
1:34:44
Duration: 0:58

When Everything Goes Wrong: A Speaker's Nightmare

Ryan Holiday recounts a chaotic speaking engagement where flight delays, missing slides, and miscommunication forced him to improvise a 45-minute talk on the spot. He extracts the valuable lesson that life doesn't follow plans and adaptability is crucial, often leading to unexpected positive outcomes.

Adaptability story
1:53
Duration: 3:23

Joan Didion's Profound Reason for Journaling: Remembering Who You Used To Be

Ryan shares the profound insight of Joan Didion on journaling: its purpose is 'to keep on nodding terms with who I used to be.' He recounts how Didion's mother encouraged her to write as a child, leading to a lifelong practice of recording thoughts and observations not just for professional use, but as a way to connect with past selves.

journaling story
59:38
Duration: 1:15

The Power of Empathy: Why Smart People Act Stupidly Without It

Ryan argues that a lack of empathy makes smart people act stupidly, presenting it as key to human achievement. He uses the example of Temple Grandin observing cattle to illustrate the importance of understanding another's worldview to solve problems effectively.

Empathy knowledge
1:30:37
Duration: 2:03

Wisdom: A Long, Uncomfortable Path and an Investment for Future Challenges

This clip argues that wisdom is not a shortcut or life hack, but a long, uncomfortable path that requires ongoing 'deposits.' It emphasizes that wisdom must be accumulated proactively, as it will be too late to acquire it during life's most vexing, challenging moments when it's desperately needed.

Wisdom motivation
50:23
Duration: 1:22

No Shortcuts to Wisdom: The Roman with Literate Slaves and the Limits of AI

This clip uses Seneca's story of a Roman who tried to appear wise using literate slaves, and a modern analogy to AI, to illustrate that there are no true shortcuts to wisdom. While external knowledge sources can assist, genuine understanding and the ability to discern good solutions still require personal effort and the 'hard thing' of doing the work.

Wisdom story
51:45
Duration: 2:10

Chauffeur Knowledge: The Difference Between Appearing Wise and Being Wise

This clip recounts the famous 'chauffeur knowledge' story, illustrating the critical distinction between rote memorization and true understanding. It emphasizes that merely knowing facts by heart or appearing wise is not the same as possessing genuine wisdom, which requires deep comprehension.

Knowledge story
53:55
Duration: 1:15

Prevent 'Dark Nights of the Soul' with This 5-Year Journal Method

Ryan shares his personal journaling practice: a 5-year journal where he records thoughts and activities for the same day across multiple years. He explains how this method, and journaling in general, acts as a 'dual camera' to capture both external events and internal states, helping to prevent existential crises by providing a continuous record of one's life and evolution.

journaling advice
1:00:53
Duration: 1:11

The Ancient Wisdom of 'This Too Shall Pass' for All Emotions

Ryan discusses the profound lesson of impermanence embodied in the phrase 'this too shall pass,' attributing it to a Buddhist story and Stoic philosophy. He explains how this truth applies to all emotions—worry, despair, elation, and even profound pain—providing a crucial perspective that everything, eventually, ends. This historical and philosophical context offers a powerful tool for navigating life's ups and downs.

resilience knowledge
1:02:04
Duration: 1:30

The Unfathomable Moral Weight of Admiral Stockdale's Imprisonment

Ryan details the unique and immense moral challenge faced by Admiral James Stockdale during his 7-year imprisonment in the Hanoi Hilton. Unlike other POWs, Stockdale possessed the explosive secret of the Gulf of Tonkin incident's false pretenses. His captors sought not just to break him physically, but to turn him into a propaganda asset by exploiting his knowledge, placing an unfathomable moral burden on him to protect fellow prisoners and the truth.

history story
1:05:12
Duration: 2:56

Admiral Stockdale's Extreme Act of Defiance to Avoid Propaganda

Ryan recounts a harrowing moment in Admiral Stockdale's captivity when, after days of torture, his captors abruptly offered to clean him up. Realizing they intended to parade him for propaganda, Stockdale, in a minute alone in a bathroom, severely beat and mutilated his own face and scalp. This extreme act rendered him 'unfilmable,' demonstrating incredible grit and determination to defy his captors and protect his fellow prisoners.

resilience story
1:10:24
Duration: 1:31

The Unteachable Lessons: Why We Must Learn Them Ourselves

Chris and Ryan discuss 'unteachable lessons'—clichés that people must experience to truly understand (e.g., money won't buy happiness). They explore how these lessons, though seemingly unteachable, can be learned sooner by paying attention to life's 'whispers' and by studying historical figures and classic wisdom to provide a framework for understanding and applying experiences, preventing us from repeating common mistakes.

Life Lessons knowledge
20:40
Duration: 6:36

Stoicism's Core: From Disregulated to Regulated (and a Couples' Game)

Ryan defines stoicism as the ability to move from a disregulated to a regulated state. Chris adds a practical application for couples: how quickly can you get back into connection after a disagreement, reframing conflict as a shared problem.

Stoicism knowledge
1:27:15
Duration: 0:38

Why Smart People 'Lose It': The Cumulative Effect of Stress and Neglect

Ryan discusses how smart people can 'lose it' or go crazy due to the cumulative effects of sleep deprivation, drugs, stress, loneliness, and overwork. He cites John Stuart Mill as an example, emphasizing that neglecting one's well-being can lead to a breaking point.

Mental health knowledge
1:39:11
Duration: 1:08

The 'Brain-Destroying Experience' of Being Massively Right

Ryan explains how making a highly successful contrarian bet can be 'brain-destroying' because it teaches the wrong lesson: that you're always right and everyone else is an idiot. This leads successful people to drink their own Kool-Aid and repeat past actions in different circumstances, often leading to trouble.

Success knowledge
1:40:40
Duration: 1:33

Don't Learn from Success Catastrophically: Ryan Holiday's Method

Ryan discusses how he intentionally analyzes his successes (like his Stoicism books or opening a bookstore) to learn the right lessons and avoid the hubris that can lead smart people to catastrophic blunders. He emphasizes learning in low-stakes situations to prevent grand failures.

Success advice
1:45:09
Duration: 1:22

Stoicism is Emotional Regulation, Not Eradication

Ryan clarifies a common misconception about Stoicism, explaining that it is not about eradicating emotions but rather about regulating them. He emphasizes that feeling emotions like anger, frustration, envy, or anxiety is natural, but the Stoic practice teaches us not to impulsively act on those feelings, highlighting regulation as 'the key to life'.

stoicism advice
1:22:01
Duration: 0:35

Silicon Valley vs. Geopolitics: The Catastrophic Cost of Being Wrong

This segment contrasts the risk tolerance of Silicon Valley investing (where losing small amounts for a chance at huge gains is acceptable) with the critical downside protection required in politics and geopolitics, where being wrong can lead to catastrophic outcomes for everyone.

Risk Management knowledge
38:09
Duration: 1:46

The Wright Brothers: Outsider Perspective Meets Deep Understanding, Not Arrogance

The Wright Brothers are presented as a canonical example of effective innovation, demonstrating that while an outsider's fresh perspective is valuable, it must be combined with profound curiosity, deep study, and a willingness to learn from existing knowledge, rather than a brash dismissal of all prior efforts.

Innovation story
40:24
Duration: 1:46

Dr. Becky's Wisdom: Focus on Repair, Not Perfection

Chris introduces Dr. Becky Kennedy's parenting philosophy, which emphasizes the importance of quick repair after inevitable screw-ups and disregulation, rather than striving for perfect parenting. This concept applies broadly to relationships.

Parenting advice
1:28:09
Duration: 0:17

Lincoln's Empathy: Understanding Opposing Views is a Prerequisite for Effective Action

This clip highlights Abraham Lincoln's profound empathy, his ability to understand why people held opposing views (even on slavery), as a crucial 'negative capability.' This capacity to hold contradictory ideas and understand the logic behind them is presented as a prerequisite for effective action and reform.

Empathy advice
45:21
Duration: 0:54

Why Smart People Make Themselves Stupid: Hurdles to Wisdom

Ryan discusses common pitfalls for intelligent people striving for wisdom, highlighting ego, bad information diets, complacency, and the "know-it-all" attitude as key factors that prevent them from learning and growing.

Wisdom knowledge
1:29:18
Duration: 1:15

The Divorce Paradox: Why Shortcomings Kill Relationships

Chris explains the 'divorce paradox,' arguing that a relationship's success is determined more by how couples handle bad times and shortcomings than by enjoying good times. He uses a calorie analogy to illustrate that negative interactions require disproportionately more effort to repair.

Relationships knowledge
1:35:42
Duration: 1:31

The Naval Academy Book Ban & The Cost of Compromise

Ryan Holiday shares a powerful and controversial story about his Naval Academy speech being censored because he planned to address the removal of books from the library. He passionately argues against book banning, emphasizing the importance of engaging with challenging ideas and critical thinking for future leaders, drawing on Stoic philosophy and Admiral Stockdale's experience.

Censorship controversy
5:11
Duration: 11:22

Is It Ego or Conviction? How to Trust Your Gut Wisely

Chris asks how to cultivate conviction, and Ryan explains the critical difference between impulsive emotional resistance (the '15-year-old' ego) and rational, well-thought-out conviction. He uses the example of receiving book edits to illustrate how to discern when to stand firm and when to listen to feedback.

Decision-making advice
1:43:10
Duration: 1:59

The 11-Year-Old in Charge: Why Smart People Make Stupid Decisions

Ryan explains how unresolved childhood issues and an "adapted child" within can lead highly intelligent and successful adults to make impulsive, irrational decisions, causing self-sabotage or a midlife crisis. He emphasizes the importance of inner child work.

Self-improvement knowledge
1:37:24
Duration: 1:40